Who has agreed with you, once, during this thread that Yazid is weakest merged vamp ever? I'd agree that Yazid is one of the weakest if not THE weakest merged vamp ever. I've discussed this on the path of blood. His ADV loses the Seraph trait and gains +1 Stealth on D actions. Rather redundant for a clan who not only has the capability of adding stealth with Obfuscate and even Celerity to a lesser extent. Top that off with Block Fails tech in Quietus and Obfuscate. Let alone the fact that he has Dom for Seducing as well. It's a pretty craptastic special. Moving on to his Merge. He's just an Anarch. Who because of the ruling of merging retains his Seraph and Black Hand status. Which in my opinion is flawed in itself. Since when he's merged he becomes an Independent Anarch. I believe he should lose his Black Hand and Seraph traits but that's a separate argument. Yazid only became Seraph because Jalan-Aajav conducted an investigation when the majority of Sabbat Black Hand Assamites jumped back to Alamut and then vouched for him.  With Yazid going Anarch, he basically gives Jalan the finger in the process.  Throwing away any credit he had with the Sabbat and marking him a traitor for the rest of his unlife which should be brief after betraying the Sword and the Black Hand. Which is another reason why he should lose his Black Hand traits all together.  It would have been much more appropriate if Yazid's merged text allowed him to take control of an Anarch even if it was just for a Turn.

I don't know that I've ever seen Yazid in a Sabbat-_base_d political deck, since he's an 8-cap with no votes and virtually no ability to push votes. (For that matter, I'm not sure I've ever seen or even heard of a Sabbat-_base_d Assamite vote deck played. Not just winning, even played.) -John Flournoy I call this the Greatest Fall Sabbat Assamite Vote deck. I've played it and gained VPs with it.  Of course there's no Yazid, cause this grouping is much better for the concept. 1x  Joe Boot Hill 1x  Michael diCarlo 1x  Reza Fatir 1x  Nizzam al-Latif 2x  Djuhah 2x  Izhim abd Azrael 4x  Monty Coven 1x  Regent 1x  Quietus 1x  Fear of Mekhet 1x  dia de los Muertos 2x  Blood Doll 1x  Yawp Court 1x  Black Forest _base_ 1x  The Black Throne 1x  Yoruba Shrine 1x  Alamut 2x  Vessel 2x  Tattoo Signal 2x  Praetorian Backer 2x  Retain the Quick Blood 2x  Veil the Legions 2x  Lost in Crowds 2x  Faceless Night 2x  Cloak the Gathering 5x  Bribes 1x  Tribunal Judgment 1x  Crusade: Istanbul 1x  Crusade: Detroit 1x  Cardinal Benediction 3x  Auto-da 2x  Seraph 1x  Sabbat Inquisitor 1x  Deploy the Hand 5x  Kine Resources Contested 1x  Watchtower: Greatest Fall 4x  Nest of Eagles 1x  Cardinal Sin: Insubordination 7x  Black Sunrise 4x  Truth in Ink 4x  Blood Sweat 2x  Thin Blood 4x  Taste of Death 8x  Selective Silence 1x  Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter) 1x  Mylan Horseed (Goblin) 1x  Guarded Rubrics 1x  Kali's Fang 1x  Urban Jungle 2x  Swallowed by the Night

You know, there are lots of great decks out there where not 100% of your vampires can play 100% of your cards. And if you don't even get the chance to Merge Yazid, it's not even an issue. Not if you invest 8 pool for one minion who is your star, he need to play most of the cards. Sure, not all. But if you plan to use sabbat tech heavly, using advanced in the crypt is bad choice, that decrease your chances for the win.

John has already pointed out many of the flaws with your argument, but I'll back him up further. Not really. It's become very clear that the goalposts keep moving, and Raziel's only in this for the sake of an argument - if there were more point to the ranting than that, he'd be acknowledging the valid points made (such as Trophy:Chosen having ABSOLUTELY NO RELEVANCE to Yazid's merged-special, and instead claiming that wasn't the point), and going for discussion and convincing folks and taking the sensible advice offered on how to get his points considered rather than insisting on the most inflammatory tone possible and as many personal attacks as he can fit in. Can we all stop feeding the frothing madman now?

John has already pointed out many of the flaws with your argument, but I'll back him up further. Not really. It's become very clear that the goalposts keep moving, and Raziel's only in this for the sake of an argument - if there were more point to the ranting than that, he'd be acknowledging the valid points made (such as Trophy:Chosen having ABSOLUTELY NO RELEVANCE to Yazid's merged-special, and instead claiming that wasn't the point), and going for discussion and convincing folks and taking the sensible advice offered on how to get his points considered rather than insisting on the most inflammatory tone possible and as many personal attacks as he can fit in. Can we all stop feeding the frothing madman now? Public Enemy Action +1 stealth action. Requires a non-Red List, non-ANARCH vampire. (D) Choose a non-_title_d, non-Red List minion who either has successfully bled for 3 or more pool since your last turn or is infernal or anarch. The chosen minion becomes Red List. It IS relevant, fact that the trophy will be most often not played on Yazid is irrelevant. I made many good points, that you keep ignoring. Have fun, and use brain next time.

Can we all stop feeding the frothing madman now? Public Enemy It IS relevant, fact that the trophy will be most often not played on Yazid is irrelevant. Goalposts moving again.  This is the first mention of Public Enemy in the whole thread. Y'know what?  I had a nice, inflammatory, Raziel-_style_ post typed out in response to the ad hominems and _base_less allegations you had written, but it's not worth continuing this discussion.  I'm going to take your advice, use my brain and realize this is a pointless argument, and not bother discussing with you, this time or next time. - D.J.